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	<title>Comments on: Talking to ATC: &#8220;you, me, where, what&#8221;</title>
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		<title>By: Best of the Web: Learning to fly &#124; Plastic Pilot</title>
		<link>http://www.megginson.com/blogs/lahso/2008/09/06/talking-to-atc-you-me-where-what/#comment-22755</link>
		<dc:creator>Best of the Web: Learning to fly &#124; Plastic Pilot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Mar 2009 18:01:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] me improve my radio communication skills by distilling the essence of ATC communications to &#8220;You Me Where What &#8220;, which I had never been exposed to before. I also owe a great debt of gratitude to Sam for [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] me improve my radio communication skills by distilling the essence of ATC communications to &#8220;You Me Where What &#8220;, which I had never been exposed to before. I also owe a great debt of gratitude to Sam for [...]</p>
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		<title>By: randall g</title>
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		<dc:creator>randall g</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Oct 2008 06:50:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like to avoid words like "at", "for" or "with you", but always give current altitude and target altitude if climbing or descending. For instance, "Vancouver Centre, TUM level 11000" or "Vancouver Departure, TUM 1800 climbing 3000." Recently in SFO class B there was "Oakland Centre, CGTUM 8500 descending pilot's discretion" - I was previously cleared into class B with descent at pilot's discretion on the way to Napa from Santa Monica.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like to avoid words like &#8220;at&#8221;, &#8220;for&#8221; or &#8220;with you&#8221;, but always give current altitude and target altitude if climbing or descending. For instance, &#8220;Vancouver Centre, TUM level 11000&#8243; or &#8220;Vancouver Departure, TUM 1800 climbing 3000.&#8221; Recently in SFO class B there was &#8220;Oakland Centre, CGTUM 8500 descending pilot&#8217;s discretion&#8221; - I was previously cleared into class B with descent at pilot&#8217;s discretion on the way to Napa from Santa Monica.</p>
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		<title>By: david</title>
		<link>http://www.megginson.com/blogs/lahso/2008/09/06/talking-to-atc-you-me-where-what/#comment-21611</link>
		<dc:creator>david</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Sep 2008 16:54:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Grant and Michael: thanks for the comments.  I agree with Grant that the IFR check-in can still fit the pattern, and I will try to do my best to post more for Michael.  In the meantime, here are some past postings that might be interesting:

http://www.megginson.com/blogs/lahso/2005/05/19/analog-flying/
http://www.megginson.com/blogs/lahso/2004/12/23/leaning/
http://www.megginson.com/blogs/lahso/2005/04/04/power-pitch-stall/
http://www.megginson.com/blogs/lahso/2006/12/18/winter-flying-around-the-great-lakes/
http://www.megginson.com/blogs/lahso/2006/05/27/crosswind-landings/
http://www.megginson.com/blogs/lahso/2006/04/19/separation-not-the-quebec-kind/
http://www.megginson.com/blogs/lahso/2006/02/12/v-speeds/
http://www.megginson.com/blogs/lahso/2005/12/18/partial-panel-and-fixed-gear/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Grant and Michael: thanks for the comments.  I agree with Grant that the IFR check-in can still fit the pattern, and I will try to do my best to post more for Michael.  In the meantime, here are some past postings that might be interesting:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.megginson.com/blogs/lahso/2005/05/19/analog-flying/" rel="nofollow">http://www.megginson.com/blogs/lahso/2005/05/19/analog-flying/</a><br />
<a href="http://www.megginson.com/blogs/lahso/2004/12/23/leaning/" rel="nofollow">http://www.megginson.com/blogs/lahso/2004/12/23/leaning/</a><br />
<a href="http://www.megginson.com/blogs/lahso/2005/04/04/power-pitch-stall/" rel="nofollow">http://www.megginson.com/blogs/lahso/2005/04/04/power-pitch-stall/</a><br />
<a href="http://www.megginson.com/blogs/lahso/2006/12/18/winter-flying-around-the-great-lakes/" rel="nofollow">http://www.megginson.com/blogs/lahso/2006/12/18/winter-flying-around-the-great-lakes/</a><br />
<a href="http://www.megginson.com/blogs/lahso/2006/05/27/crosswind-landings/" rel="nofollow">http://www.megginson.com/blogs/lahso/2006/05/27/crosswind-landings/</a><br />
<a href="http://www.megginson.com/blogs/lahso/2006/04/19/separation-not-the-quebec-kind/" rel="nofollow">http://www.megginson.com/blogs/lahso/2006/04/19/separation-not-the-quebec-kind/</a><br />
<a href="http://www.megginson.com/blogs/lahso/2006/02/12/v-speeds/" rel="nofollow">http://www.megginson.com/blogs/lahso/2006/02/12/v-speeds/</a><br />
<a href="http://www.megginson.com/blogs/lahso/2005/12/18/partial-panel-and-fixed-gear/" rel="nofollow">http://www.megginson.com/blogs/lahso/2005/12/18/partial-panel-and-fixed-gear/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Viennatech</title>
		<link>http://www.megginson.com/blogs/lahso/2008/09/06/talking-to-atc-you-me-where-what/#comment-21607</link>
		<dc:creator>Viennatech</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Sep 2008 17:07:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lima-Alpha-Hotel-Sierra,  This is Papa-Foxtrot-Lima at the September 6th post.  Reading your posting was very informative and helpful for this newb!  Request more frequent postings.  Over.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lima-Alpha-Hotel-Sierra,  This is Papa-Foxtrot-Lima at the September 6th post.  Reading your posting was very informative and helpful for this newb!  Request more frequent postings.  Over.</p>
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		<title>By: grant</title>
		<link>http://www.megginson.com/blogs/lahso/2008/09/06/talking-to-atc-you-me-where-what/#comment-21592</link>
		<dc:creator>grant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Sep 2008 19:21:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good way to lay it out - very KISS.

For consistency, I'd even suggest that the last IFR "exception" isn't an exception at all.  The /what/ is either implied or can easily be stated in the same order as your other examples.  I.e. "Halifax terminal, Bravo Juliet Oscar, at three thousand, checking in."  Or "Halifax terminal, Bravo Juliet Oscar, leaving three thousand for six thousand, ("with you" implied)."  or often: "Halifax terminal, Bravo Juliet Oscar, (location understood from radar and previous contact), requesting direct Montreal."

Anyway - just to say that it's a great way to present this often intimidating topic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good way to lay it out - very KISS.</p>
<p>For consistency, I&#8217;d even suggest that the last IFR &#8220;exception&#8221; isn&#8217;t an exception at all.  The /what/ is either implied or can easily be stated in the same order as your other examples.  I.e. &#8220;Halifax terminal, Bravo Juliet Oscar, at three thousand, checking in.&#8221;  Or &#8220;Halifax terminal, Bravo Juliet Oscar, leaving three thousand for six thousand, (&#8221;with you&#8221; implied).&#8221;  or often: &#8220;Halifax terminal, Bravo Juliet Oscar, (location understood from radar and previous contact), requesting direct Montreal.&#8221;</p>
<p>Anyway - just to say that it&#8217;s a great way to present this often intimidating topic.</p>
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